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    Hi,

    This post is aimed at people concerned with low quality ratings on their rides.

    We are in progress of finishing the moderating system. It will allow us to manage the poor quality ratings in a much more efficient manner that we can at the minute.

    This update should be pushed out next week barring any issues.

    -Mathew

    • CommentAuthorrctwizzkid
    • CommentTimeAug 22nd 2009 edited
     

    My coaster taxutnta has got a very bad rating by Austinjb555, he claims I cheated by using tools and gave me a very low rating, if you could get rid of his rating I would be very greatful. It upsets me because alot of coaster are made using tools and i have not seen any harsh ratings on them, when you have spent 2/3 months of your life on a coaster and someone thinks it is rubbish because it was tooled.

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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2009
     
    "carl" rated my Sigma with just a one word rate "nice" and pretty low ratings for technical and adrenaline.
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      CommentAuthorRandomman4
    • CommentTimeAug 23rd 2009
     
    User Voltolux has comment on my ride Sky with the words Ganz Toll and with a rating of 0 in each category.
    • CommentAuthorEd Boxer
    • CommentTimeAug 24th 2009 edited
     
    I see that Voltolux did the same thing to Griffonluv's Vulcan. I wonder if he typed his text and hit enter before he entered his rating values? I had that happen on my rating of Jet Coaster Fan_Backyard Future Jungle Gym The Ride. There doesn't seem to be any way to edit your rating and I'd like to fix that and a few of my typos please :').

    My greater concern is that I see ratings that are overall too high with no real commentary. Not every coaster is a 9 or 10. IMO, those ratings are reserved for spectacular creations like Ganja and Colder Fusion. Why my Idora Park Jack Rabbit is getting 8s, 9s and 10s is beyond reason to me. Maybe its because I'm older than most here, I see the reality of real life on a curve where only superior excellence above and beyond the norm receives superior rewards.
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    All noted.

    These users will be barred from downloading any more files before the end of the week. A new moderation system is being developed that can filter out ratings based on length, previous ratings, etc ...

    Apologies for the delay, should all be good to go soon.

    -Mathew

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    Ed Boxer, I dobt its because your older than most because Im only 13 and I am getting around the same rates also. May I ask if there is anyway of replying to people that comment and rate your ride? I want to push some of the nooby raters to do more than those pathetic one sentence rates or spam rates such as multiple rates saying the same thing. If not, it would be nice if that feature could be added. Also maybe a rating guide may be added so there arent so many unqualified raters messing up the scores. Thanx and the site looks great so far


    Users I am not impressed with (Exposure)...

    loenensenft - low 6, wath a pathetic 1 sentence rate with numbers that didnt match up to the words he put down.
    Voltolux - Flat 0's across the board (no way)
    Carteerio- short rate with lower score
    MVjamiroquai - He said I needed more theming and more terrain interaction. He obviously is a fan of fantasy coasters and hasnt met the reality of wat a realistic coaster is. A heavily themed coaster isn't always better. Id like to see him make a themed wooden coaster.
    neb_05 - He posted the same "nice job" rate 3 times.

    Im sorry if me cracking down on these raters sounds a bit harsh but its just to improve the site and get rid of the unqualified people messing up the scores of coasters we all worked hard at. Sorry and Thanx.
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    Quote from Mathew Davies: "A new moderation system is being developed that can filter out ratings based on length, previous ratings, etc ..."

    Will this include a report system too? I noticed a bad report but I think it would be useful if users can simply report bad ratings, to, in a sense "call for a moderator to check this out / resolve this"; multiple user-generated content websites have this.

    Qyuiote from A7Xandcoasters: "He obviously is a fan of fantasy coasters and hasnt met the reality of wat a realistic coaster is. A heavily themed coaster isn't always better."
    Although offtopic here, I think it would be a good addition to the exchange if uploaders could upload their track as Fantasy or as Realistic. I know Coastercrazy does this and I think it's a pretty useful distinction. Of course you could go with something similar, so somehow categorize coasters on their "genre" rather than just their track type. Maybe Family / Regular / Insane / Fantasy (or whatever).
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      CommentAuthorRandomman4
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2009
     
    Coastersims also did the Fantasy ride thing. And I to am really starting to get annoyed by insignificant users rating my rides with sentences that don't mach what they put down. Matt Please hurry with this system, the site is in desperate need.

    After all A7X did have a nice woodie,me and 3 other VERY credible people Including you matt all rated it very well, and now a small army of worthless scum has lowered his rides rating.

    Sorry if I sound harsh, but this desperately needs attention.
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    A7XandCoasters : Not harsh at all, ratings on your ride have been taken care of.

    Erik : I will include a report button, but first I will get the system out the door, this should cover most bad ratings. I have planned a tagging system for the realistic, fantasy, etc ...

    Randomman4 : I will try to get it done for tomorrow. That is all I can do.

    I removed a lot of ratings manually just now as they were also annoying me. That should help until I can get this new system out the door for tomorrow.

    -Mathew.

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    Sounds good. Kinda funny, I got a 8.71 at CoasterCrazy also. Strange how things turn out isnt it? Btw thanx for the manual work on the exchange.
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      CommentAuthorRandomman4
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2009
     
    Yes thank you.

    Why do people want to spam roller coaster sites?
    • CommentAuthorGriffonluv
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2009 edited
     
    Whoa... some guy gave me a 4.83 on Vulcan. His name is squeekzilla
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    Just rolled out an update which should help deal with the ratings problem.

    -Mathew

    • CommentAuthorPmLondon
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2009
     
    I just found out the following rating :

    Rated by robbiesmiffy

    Technical : 1.00, Adrenaline : 1.50, Originality : 4.00, Average : 2.17

    couldnt wait for this ride to end, very treibble trackwork, everytime i thought it was about to end it just kept on going with anouther pointless bit of track, and why somany lift hills, im sure you dont go up that many lifts when you ski 'down' a slope, and it really didnt feel like you were sposed to be skiing.

    It was posted on the following entry http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/183/saludes-the-real-place

    First I would like to put a rating of 1 in robbiesmiffy writing technique I feel he would be better off spending some time reading rather than writing so badly.

    I feel sorry for Matthew to make all this efforts to eventually giving a free tribune to some trolls.

    Thanks very much Robbie all the best and hopefully I will have the chance to never meet you...
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2009
     
    ^I agree, that's a horrible rate. Obviously by someone who has absolutely no idea how rides are made, and probably hasn't ever been on one.

    I fell that rating guidlines will need to be established before ANYONE rates a ride from now on, and in bold at the bottom state <b>"Any rating that can be seen as unfair will be removed, and the guests downloading abilities will be revoked untill furthur notice."</b> or something like that.

    I'm sick and tired of people just comming in, taking a look at the ride, not even simming it, and then downrating it because they found it to either have a small banking jerk, or be tool made.
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    Hi everyone.

    I have a pretty big update coming out soon that will hopefully sort this out once and for all.

    I feel sorry for Matthew to make all this efforts to eventually giving a free tribune to some trolls.

    PmLondon : They will stopped with the new system I am developing. We also have some rating guidelines coming out.

    Stay tuned.

    -Mathew

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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2009
     
    ^Sounds good Matt. With all the effort you're putting into the site, I cannot thank you enough! :D
    • CommentAuthorbader
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009
     
    someone named TheGuiRibeiro rated my coaster "Scorpius" copyed someone else's comments word by word and gave lower rate??
    I dont see what his point is

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/176/scorpius
    • CommentAuthorPmLondon
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009
     
    Posted By: badersomeone named TheGuiRibeiro rated my coaster "Scorpius" copyed someone else's comments word by word and gave lower rate??
    I dont see what his point is

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/176/scorpius


    He has done this on a lot of entries, it seems he is conscious about his writing capabilities or find funny to be able to download a lot without having the hassle to write a review.

    Either way I descern him the crown of King of the Trolls.
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009 edited
     
    Same thing happened on Eureus. Last 2 rates are copied.
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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009
     
    NoLimitsPlayer just down-rated my ride in building technique because he doesn't like rides made in elementary. And I never even said I used elementary.
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      CommentAuthorRyder
    • CommentTimeSep 3rd 2009
     
    thats VERY unfair
    • CommentAuthorPmLondon
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2009
     
    Another rating from someone who has a peculiar sense of what an airtime is :

    Rated by toerti

    Technical : 7.10, Adrenaline : 7.80, Originality : 5.80, Average : 6.90

    Real nice scenery. The track was mostly smooth. But to many negativ vertical G's. I define airtime with G's around 0 and plus/minus 0.3-0.5. After all the ride was not very spectacular. Some of the turn transitions were really smooth but the banking didnt feel right. Some more interaction with scenery or the track itself would have added to adrenalin and originality. The originality itself is just slightly above average. The track layout was more or less just simple.

    What about Expedition G Force which has been recognised as the Roller Coaster with the best airtimes in the world ?

    The Negative G's on Eureus are similar with EGF.

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/184/eureus
    • CommentAuthortoerti
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2009 edited
     
    I doubt that EGF will pull negative 1.5 G's to get airtime ( I know it doesnt).
    As well as the G's havent been my only point why I rated the Tech part down.
    The low Originality rating was because (as already explained in the rating itself) because of the leck of interaction and the very simple layout. I understand that a HyperCoaster doesnt give much to a spectacular layout.
    So to say I neither like Silverstar Coaster nor EGF (the real ones).
    And always remember these ratings are all subjective and I dont want to offend you or anyone else.
    I just write down what i am thinking about a coaster. What I think could have been done better.
    This doesnt meen that someone else doesnt like it.
    Just my personell two cents.
    • CommentAuthorReal
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2009
     
    Toerti, Im pretty certain the ASTM standards go up to and including -1.5. How many coasters reach that? Probably a select few, one of them being El Toros small hill towards the end.

    I am fairly certain though that your claim to -0.5 is way under. Thats only half a g past floating. Ive experience a full -1 on Tower of Terror (Disney) during its first operational year because it pulled riders down at that speed. -1 is intense but Maverick is more intense.

    If I can find it, there is a file floating around from the accident report when SROS flung the man with cerebal palsy from the train and into a pole. They did a true accelerometer test and the 2nd of the 2 back to back hills hits over -1 G.

    http://www.rideofsteel.com/page.php?id=4

    There it is. BTW T Express is listed at -1.5 and Id believe that too judging from the shaping and pacing.
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 4th 2009
     
    Yeah, and -1.3g feels GOOD, not painful (if comfortable restraints are used :) ).

    I have seen a couple of rides where they reached -1.6 and more, but that was only a split second at the apex of the hill.
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    Well... I got this rating on Vulcan. Can you take a look Matt? It's from someone named pali_gap

    Technical: 7.00 Adrenaline: 3.00 Originality: 1.00
    "It isn't the first compact Intamin launch coaster with cool supports, but it does the formula well. The supports are really cool, and even though they are common, I always love seeing good support design. The track was very smooth, but that usually isn't an issue with Intamin accelerator models, so good job."

    I'm just not getting how that adds up and how the numbers compare with the text.
    • CommentAuthorErik Leppen
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009 edited
     
    Wouldn't it be possible to have a system where other users can thumbs-up or thumbs-down other people's ratings. Then, the rating average is a weighted average of the ratings where the weighing factors are dependent on a member's total thumbs-ups minus thumbs-downs. This way, ratings with many thumbs-downs count much lighter than ratings with many thumbs-ups.

    Because, when the site gets bigger, any system that involves separate moderators would sooner or later become inmanageable. I think one could best start early devising a self-correcting system, where members themselves can keep everything in balance.

    Ratings with too many thumbs-downs can be hidden, and moderators could remove them. This would require only very little work for moderators; the active members to the rest.
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    -1.6 and more? Prove that please. Only rides I can think of that might be in that range are/were Dodonpa and Hypersonic, and I've never seen any force graphs so I hope you have something to back that claim up. If not, you really should stop talking about stuff you don't know anything about and passing it off as a fact.

    Yes toerti, I've seen T Express and Colossos listed at -1.5, and know from speaking to one of the ride operators that the SROS force graph was created with no riders, meaning the values around -1 seen 5 or 6 times on the ride are in fact much stronger, because there's a huge difference in pacing between empty and full intamin rides like that one. Though I'm with you on the overall score, I don't believe you went about rating that particular ride correctly. Your explanation of the rate shows me that you've taken a very subjective viewpoint on the ride, whereas objectiveness should be maintained. It shouldn't matter whether or not you like Silverstar and EGF...that's irrelevant. As a rater, you should instead say to yourself "well how well done is this layout *relative to similar rides done by the same company*?" and "do the forces exceed the boundaries created by the specific company?" To limit the designer to forces that have been tripled by several real rides of the style he was working with is unfair.
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    Erik : I toyed with the idea of a thumbs-up / down system and came to the conclusion it would be too difficult to implement during the early stages. It has other problems too, users could stop rating, it is not the users responsibility to moderate the website, etc ...

    I plan to re-factor the ratings system. At the minute it has some flaws which are easily bypassed.

    For example, if a rating is under 250 characters long it is not deemed well enough and given a status of 0. It is still put into the database, but it does not count for anything. The problem with this is, the user has a chance to enter another rating so the people who want to bypass it will keep submitting ever longer ratings until they get in or they will copy others like we have already seen.

    The new work-flow is substantially different as it relies on reputation. I will be programming a basic reputation system for this.

    All new members start with a reputation of -10. For every good rating, one point is credited to their account until they reach 0 and for every bad rating, one is removed until they reach -10.

    If your reputation is 0 your rating is posted automatically, otherwise the rating is given a queued status. It will be the job the website moderator to deem if it is good enough for the website. If the rating is good it is enabled and one reputation point is credited to the users account.

    This should filter out all the rubbish and leave the members who post useful content alone.

    Everyone currently on the website will start on 0

    -Mathew

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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
     
    ^Okay, that sounds like a brilliant system. But will you be acquiring some friends to help out with the ratings, so as to not make it too overwhelming?
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    I have all the help I need at the minute.

    Thanks for the offer.

    -Mathew

    • CommentAuthorbader
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2009
     
    That guy TheGuiRibeiro did it again. copied comments for Ascent

    and his rating for my coaster Scorpius still there

    shouldn't he be banned from rating or something?
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    I got this one. Honestly I think that this score was so low was because I knocked this person out of the top 8 on the homepage, so childish...

    Rated 2 hours, 26 minutes and 7 seconds ago ago by LlLucAaA
    Technical : 3.70, Adrenaline : 4.50, Originality : 4.80, Average : 4.33

    mmmm terrible ... there are some pumps ... isn't very smooth ... the turns are almost all mistaken… do not try nothing on this coaster… the supports make to laugh… sorry…. the idea is ok ... but i don't like very much this coaster .. sorry .... i think that with more job and more study of this type of coaster you will be able to repropose this coaster in a more beautiful version... bye luca ...

    ps ... but the layout is ok ... ihihih
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2009 edited
     
    2 ratings here:

    First is Griffonluvs rating.

    "BT- The track was... weird in some places. Some transitions were really awkward. <u>For example, the last helix's beginning transition actually looked heartlined.</u> Many others such as the opposite banked turn, and a few hills were improper. Parts of the track just seemed jerk into position and that caused for a rough ride. The pre-lift was poorly done, and the ride after the MCBR really let down. There are good parts however. The supports were decently nice and realistic, and I loved the laterals. Some people say 1.7 is way too high, but I just think of it as an "aggressive" lateral G.

    A- This wasn't one of the rides that stick in my mind as exciting. It got boring after a while, and never really kicked in.

    O- Nothing popped out in this category. Just a standard wooden coaster."

    He downrated the ride for simply being heartlined. Obviously he doesn't know that wooden coasters are heartlined, especially GG or CCI woodies.


    And 2 is again by Pali_Gap. He, once again, downrated for the track being "uncomfortable", and with "forces over the line". Alos blatently stating the supports look crappy:

    "Technical : 4.00, Adrenaline : 3.00, Originality : 2.00, Average : 3.00

    I don't quite get the annoying things in the sky. The coaster is very standard, so I can't rate very highly on that. Not too comfortable, either. Forces, speeds, and turns were just over the line. The supports looked really crappy. You could do much better."

    Can we please ban Pali_Gap, or at least have someone talk to him VERY sternly about wooden coasters and making proper ratings?

    Oh, and KDCOASTERFAN downrated Pulse because there were supports well out of the way in the station, and that he claims "doesn't pass tunnel test." of which I made sure it does.

    <i>"Not bad,the tophat is relatively smooth for a hand built element & the layout gets high marks for being rather compact as opposed to most hydro launchers having a more drawn out layout.I would've given higher marks for technical but you had too many supports going right through the station as well as a couple of head choppers that wouldn't pass a tunnel test."</i>
    • CommentAuthorbader
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    what do you get from a rating like that : rate by robbiesmiffy for "Orbit"

    "Wasnt really a very technical ride, it just went round in circles. .... to be honest the 3Ds isnt that great, its not exactley difficult to make a big circle with a picture of the earth on it so no bonus points for that."

    Not a single useful information
    It is not about how dificult the thing is to be Great... it is what is does. Less is more :)
    and what in the world is a technical ride??
    and robbiesmiffy, Maybe you can make a big sphere with a picture of the earth on it, but I dare you that you can make a ride like that :p
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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    Xpress those ratings are valid. You just want your tracks to be rated greatly. Learn to accept criticism.
    • CommentAuthorbader
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009 edited
     
    I got and extreamly poor rating from deluded for LOST.
    It is clearly unfair
    I hate it when childesh people do that so they can keep thier uploads in higher rank
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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009 edited
     
    My sigma was downrated significantly by sheffieldsteel with a duplicate comment of Coronet's rating.
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    yes xpress, what I was saying, is that that transition looked like a B&M heartlined transition. And a113 is right, learn to accept negative criticism...
    • CommentAuthorReal
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    Its not negative, its constructive. Apart from his heartline comment, I saw this:

    Some transitions were really awkward.
    Many others such as the opposite banked turn, and a few hills were improper
    The pre-lift was poorly done, and the ride after the MCBR really let down
    This wasn't one of the rides that stick in my mind as exciting. It got boring after a while, and never really kicked in.


    Those are probably more cause of the rating...
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    ^Yes, specifically those.

    <blockquote><cite>Posted By: A113</cite>Xpress those ratings are valid. You just want your tracks to be rated greatly. Learn to accept criticism.</blockquote>

    I prefer for my tracks to get <u>valid</u> ratings, not ratings where you just say bad things about it, which is basically all I get from you and griffonluv. I saw <i>maybee</i> one bit where you said something good about the ride, other than that it's all negative comments.
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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    So you only want people to say GOOD things and POSITIVE things about your rides. Ahh.. I see. Fine by me. *total sarcasm*
    • CommentAuthorReal
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    And your point is? If it cant think of that much good to say, then he didnt like it.

    Dude, its a website. Its just a coaster. Dont base your happiness around it. You might say your happiness doesnt and it probably doesnt but it sure sounds like it. Some will love your stuff, others will hate it. People will downrate me simply to do it. Some will uprate. I dont care. Its not the end of the world. Its just another day.

    Ignore it.
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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009
     
    Thank you Real.
    • CommentAuthorGriffonluv
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2009 edited
     
    I rated exactly what I thought. So what's the problem? And exactly Real. Listen to what he said Xpress..

    But enough witht the confrontations and arguments. We don't need another site going out of control because of Xpress. (coasterchamber)
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2009
     
    ^Oh yeah, blame it all on me :p jkjk..

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/223/sasquatch

    Claims he didn't make it.
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    I pushed an update out today to solve some of problems we have been having. Once again report anything you find fishy and I will look into it.

    bader : Those ratings were removed. Thank you for the report.

    Xpress : That file was removed, thank you.

    -Mathew

    PS : Try to post a valid report, I do not want noise because you have a personal issue against the person rating.

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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2009
     
    squeekzilla posted this:

    I cant tell how this ride would've looked as a hard rock theme, probably good. I didn't notice any pumps or rolls that were significant and you didn't at least try to fix. I liked the compact-ness of the ride. It seemed predictable but I've been noticing a lot of that so I wont take off for it. Overall this was on okay ride however, Intamin hypers are getting generic and over used.

    Which sounds like an ~8 average, but he gave low scores, so I don't know if you might want to look over that or not.

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