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      CommentAuthorA113
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2010
     


    The new coaster will be called X-raptor and will carry the visitors over a 2625 feet long track. The ride will start in an underground station only to carry the visitors up to 100 feet in the air. During the ride you will experience a 90 degree turn and 2 Zero G rolls. There are also going to be effects like soaring low above the ground and the water.


    X-Raptor - The most extreme coasters, The flight that pushes boundaries.

    Trapped in a terrifying flying beast that has demolished the country, with an adrenaline flight of terror through the forrest and farms, meanwhile you try to escape from this ferocious animal.

    * Seats are located on the side of the track
    * Underground station and departure
    * 2625 feet track
    * 100 feet high with a nauseating climb.
    * 90 ° turn on high speed
    * Very close to spectacular obstacles
    * Flight grazing over a lake with water-effects
    * 2 spins with a feeling of weightlessness.


    More here:
    http://www.gardalandtamtam.com/photogallery_pag.asp?id_gallery=314
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    Any idea as to who the manufacturer is? The track in the picture looks like B&M. Or is this another 4th Dimension Coaster by Arrow?

    • CommentAuthorPmLondon
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2010
     
    It is a B&M, however they have an arrangement with Gardaland as this is only going to be a prototype with no rotating movements of the seats.

    B&M intend to measure the forces to build the futures ones which will rotate like X and Eajanaika.
    • CommentAuthorCCJared
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2010
     
    It's part of a 3 B&M deal by Merlin. The second will be at Thorpe Park and the third is going to Heide Park. This is a brand new prototype coaster by B&M and the seats on the second version at Thorpe Park are rumoured to rotate.
    • CommentAuthortired
    • CommentTimeJul 15th 2010
     
    Looks really cool. Finally Gardaland get the signature coaster it deserves.

    CCJared: I've never seen anything concrete on that thorpe rumour? Where does it come form? And nothing indicates that Heide Park's new coaster will be the same type. Since it is opening next year it probably wont.
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    I have to say, I'm not totally for the whole "B&M copies Arrow" idea, seems like they're just taking an already good idea and improving upon it, maybe in a more reliable manner (although X2 is really reliable- never closed whenever me and/or my friends go).
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    Well Intamin copied arrow as well with Furius Baco? I'm assuming that you were not for the "Intamin copies Arrow" idea as well ;) haha. I personally am really looking forward to this. Trains look great.
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      CommentAuthorBrandonR
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Posted By: XpressI have to say, I'm not totally for the whole "B&M copies Arrow" idea, seems like they're just taking an already good idea and improving upon it, maybe in a more reliable manner (although X2 is really reliable- never closed whenever me and/or my friends go).


    Well to be fair X2 may be reliable according to your anecdote (which isn't really proof of anything anyway), but X was known for being horribly, horribly unreliable when it first opened. I seem to vaguely recall one incident where the train even fell apart in the station. And even then, I don't think it's B&M blatantly copying Arrow/S&S. Other companies have played around with the idea of putting the seats cantilevered over the track on both sides.

    This ride is... interesting. Not sure why B&M needs to build a full non-spinning version of the ride just to measure forces for future spinning versions. Isn't that what finite element analysis is for? I guess they prefer to stay on the conservative side and know their limits (hence them subcontracting out the launch mechanism of Hulk).
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    BrandonR: (hence them subcontracting out the launch mechanism of Hulk)

    ^ what do you mean?

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      CommentAuthorBrandonR
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Posted By: XSynergyProductions

    BrandonR: (hence them subcontracting out the launch mechanism of Hulk)

    ^ what do you mean?



    B&M didn't design the launch/propulsion mechanism of Hulk. They either didn't want to deal with it or didn't think their expertise was in that area because I recall that another company did all the work for that element of the ride. B&M just specified the speed the train needed to be at at the end of the launch.
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      CommentAuthorXpress
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    What's funny is to me it seems like they used the same motors for the launching wheels, as if all that was done was they used a higher wind motor, and a proportional speed control to accelerate the train.
    • CommentAuthorCCJared
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Posted By: tiredLooks really cool. Finally Gardaland get the signature coaster it deserves.

    CCJared: I've never seen anything concrete on that thorpe rumour? Where does it come form? And nothing indicates that Heide Park's new coaster will be the same type. Since it is opening next year it probably wont.


    The rumours are going off of what park officials have said about a B&M deal, as well as some of the text/images in some recently submitted plans, although those plans are only a provisional idea for the planning offices and the layout is expected to change. Also, Heide Parks coaster is rumoured/expected to be a Dive Machine, although I have no information to back that up. It's merely what I've read/heard from other forums.
    • CommentAuthormgizozlodu
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Are you absolutely sure it's a B&M because the restraints on the concept photo you posted look like the OTSR's of newer Intamin rides.
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    That's weird. Good point.
    • CommentAuthorCCJared
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    It's an image that's been produced by the park. The track in the photo is of B&M and I believe there is also B&M track on site (I remember seeing it some where)? The image is and edit of Baco's trains as the B&M ones must not have been built in time for the announcement.
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    Yeah that's what I figured.
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      CommentAuthorBrandonR
    • CommentTimeJul 16th 2010
     
    Posted By: mgizozloduAre you absolutely sure it's a B&M because the restraints on the concept photo you posted look like the OTSR's of newer Intamin rides.


    Concept photos for rides are notoriously inaccurate. I mean, look at the art that was released back in 1997 for Mr. Freeze:



    They drew the overbanked turn as a really tall flat turn...
    • CommentAuthortired
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2010 edited
     
    Posted By: BrandonRThis ride is... interesting. Not sure why B&M needs to build a full non-spinning version of the ride just to measure forces for future spinning versions. Isn't that what finite element analysis is for? I guess they prefer to stay on the conservative side and know their limits (hence them subcontracting out the launch mechanism of Hulk).


    This is probably the reason B&M tend to do a lot of stuff way better than others. They do everything carefully and check and recheck everything. No matter how many simulations you run, there is always some unknowns, especially in a complex project like a 4d coaster. So building a prototype isn't such a bad idea, and especially when they can give it to a park. Arrow did build a prototype before x too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMILw7E0bHA

    Posted By: mgizozloduAre you absolutely sure it's a B&M because the restraints on the concept photo you posted look like the OTSR's of newer Intamin rides.


    Gardaland confirmed it was B&M to some people on the TPR Italy trip. The reason for the Intamin restraints is probably that they needed to use something when creating the screenshot, so they used photos from furious Baco. Also notice that the last rows don't have seats? They are probably gonna have seats even though it isn't in the concept art. It's just a concept art after all!

    Posted By: CCJaredThe rumours are going off of what park officials have said about a B&M deal, as well as some of the text/images in some recently submitted plans, although those plans are only a provisional idea for the planning offices and the layout is expected to change. Also, Heide Parks coaster is rumoured/expected to be a Dive Machine, although I have no information to back that up. It's merely what I've read/heard from other forums.


    Yeah I've heard the rumour, but only from brittish people in different forums. I saw the development plan, but it didn't mention anything concrete like this. But after closer reading I did find the Thorpe Park part in First Drop, and they tend to have good sources.

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