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    • CommentAuthorWomp83
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2014
     
    ^ Thanks AJ.
    I know you mods have school or work commitments, and don't always have the free time to attend to the site.
    Maybe a few extra mods would help ease the workload.

    But thanks for keeping things in order.
    • CommentAuthorBuster
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2014 edited
     
    • CommentAuthorWomp83
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2014
     
    Just found a questionable rate by Juanquimine344 on one of my coasters. It seems like a legit comment, as they comment on the ride in question, so it doesn't seem like a copy/paste. Yet they gave very low scores, despite the fact they liked it.
    You'd think liking something would warrant a positive outcome..

    Bad rate.. grrrr.

    I've already frowny-faced it, and reported it.
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      CommentAuthorUncleArly
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2014
     
    Spam:

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/oblivion/8444#59716
    • CommentAuthorrct800
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2014
     
    This ride is ridiculously overrated:

    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/peta-force/8415
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    @rct800
    Unfortunely yes. I have put a LOT of work in it and all I get are these kind of ratings. Somehow annoying.:/

    Maybe I should take the ride off the exchange to get a fair ranking again...
  2.  
    He underate it

    https://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/utamed/8445

    Filling 300 with(.........................)

    https://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/utamed/8445
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      CommentAuthorMr. Laptop
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2014 edited
     
    Fcoasters is back and more annoying than ever! He is ruining all rates by giving all numbers under 2 in the ratings!
    He is literally everywhere, and it is annoying me so much that almost all my rates are probably now Fcoasters' ratings.
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    I hate him grrrrrrr Why is he doing this ?
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2014
     
    The 300 characters really needs to go away and you should not have to rate to download. Then people will not have to do anything under the sun to get the rates just to download. Coastercrazy has no annoying rating ratio requirement and people do not spam rate like they do here so much.
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    I totaly agree with TOGO
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2014
     
    This site has, hands down, the worst spam ratings problem ever!
    • CommentAuthorzacattack
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2014 edited
     
    ^^ Yeah, but there are far fewer rides getting actual, helpful rates on coastercrazy. Even a short rate on here can be incredibly helpful. Without a real incentive to rate, people simply don't. 20% isn't even a particularly large ratio. There may be more spam rates, but so too are there more legitimate ones. There may have been a time when coastercrazy was more active than it is today, but I seem to recall they once had a rate requirement, too. Now that they don't, many rides remain at a solid 0.00. The points/dollars are something, but it's very easy to garner enough points to download without rating.

    I said it a page or two back and I will say it again: three hundred words is a FEW SENTENCES. Once you've done your first rate or two, you are asked to do this once every five tracks you download, on average. This is a ridiculously small request when most people who've been here a while really think about how many of their tracks came from NLE. And like most things in life, if anyone really thinks this is too much, they are welcome not to download at all.

    It often sounds like what the rate-ratio-complainers really want is something for nothing, which is rarely how anything works. If someone is actually incapable of putting together three sentences, that's another matter entirely... but also highly unlikely to apply to anyone who is frequently active on the forums.
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    Posted By: TOGO FanThe 300 characters really needs to go away and you should not have to rate to download.

    This is why we're looking at changing the system, but it won't be fast. We're not in direct control of the main website so we can't bring changes to it as it stands.
    • CommentAuthorPePpO
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2014
     
    ^
    What does that mean?
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      CommentAuthorUncleArly
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2014
     
    The people currently modding and running the site do not own it.
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      CommentAuthorMr. Laptop
    • CommentTimeDec 4th 2014
     
    • CommentAuthorTwicks
    • CommentTimeDec 7th 2014
     
    Since Fcoasters has come back and is spamming his shit all over, I think it's time to seriously discuss a ratings change. You should have to rate some of the coasters you ride, but you shouldn't have to give a 300 character explanation for why you rated it what it is. Some people aren't as coaster savvy as most people here, and are using the site and NoLimits to better understand roller coasters. That's why users should be able to just type your thoughts shorter than that 300 character limit if need be. Also, there should be a bot system that detects the spam ratings. I'm sure if the site mods reached out there are plenty of users here who could code a basic bot like that. Just my 2 cents on everything that's going on, hope it's taken into consideration. :)
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    I plan to discuss this more over the holidays. I'm currently about to go through finals week - hopefully with some time off I can see about starting the change. It's not going to be a fast process unfortunately, but NLE in it's current state can and will not last forever. Something needs to be done, and I'll be straightforward in saying that the exchange is a mess in its current form. There is just no other way to say it.
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      CommentAuthor6FlagsManiac
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014 edited
     
    Turn it from a scale of 10 to a 5 star scale pls, this would be so good
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    I have boycotted rating and downloading rides until the outdated rating requirement is gone and 300 character limit is gone too. I have been using steam workshop and coastercrazy instead for downloading parks. Both of them do not have the horrible problem this site has with the ratings. I much prefer them over this site for parks and rides.
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    ^ tbh your 'threat' isn't exactly a great loss.

    If you prefer the other sites so much, why even come on here? It's not like your constant spamming adds to the community.

    People put in a lot of hard work for their rides, and this site properly encourages feedback for improvement. Yes you get spam rates, but I've had just as many spam ratings on CC as on here. NLE simply needs a more efficient way for staff to address the spam rates with ease.
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      CommentAuthoraw555000
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014 edited
     
    ^ Preach Crazycoaster.

    It has been mentioned many times that no staff members can actively change the websites code or make changes to the internal workings of the website, this is because the NLE creator has disapeared and didn't give anyone else the required permissions to do so. This is why the staff and others are planning a new website where they have control to make these changes to improve the community.

    Saying that I am in support of the download ratio as this promotes giving feedback and the 300 word limits allows for deeper thought that just a simple rate of 10,10,10 accompanied by the comment "It was great", the word limits means you must expand on it, what made it so great? what wasn't so great? What could have been changed or done differently? it's not difficult to get to the limit if you explain why you gave the scores you did. Yes the limit could be lowered perhaps to 150 or 200 but in my opinion a 10,10,10 "it was great" is also spam and means absolutely nothing, people put so much time into creating coasters and parks that they deserve someone spending a few minutes to give good feedback saying why it was great.

    However I am also in support of a either a choice of rating system or an overall simplified rating system including just a single number or a star rating as the 3 different bits can be largely reliant upon each other especially to new users who have not yet establishes their own rating criteria/differentiation.
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      CommentAuthorZingo
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    Is this a thread where we can post complaints about ratings? I have 4 on my last ride, both overrates and horrifc underrates.

    charlie20124215: honestly, this post has nothing that has anything to do with my ride, what is it even doing here?
    Terminator|: I think it's awsome to, dont have to smile that much about it
    xigos: He should have contacted me, if he can't open it (only complaint I got about it) its his problem
    vinworld: I Love it to, thats why I made it.

    So far my sarcastic complaints about these horrible rates.
    • CommentAuthorzacattack
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014 edited
     
    TBH, the people complaining about the 300-character limit are far more annoying than the limit itself. I would be happy to have some kind of choice, too... but I simply can't understand the anger over a few sentences, especially coming from those who have probably written hundreds (if not thousands) more sentences on the forums.

    also overrate, i think: https://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/bloodrush/8483#60251
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    The 300 character limit entices tons of people to spam rate and enter gibberish just to fill it. I have no problem myself with the 300 character limit because I make sure to give good legitimate rates.
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      CommentAuthorMr. Laptop
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    ^Well said TOGO.
    We are not angry with the rules here zacattack, we're angry at the unstoppable breaking of them, therefore they should probably be changed slightly or re-enforced in order to stop the constant pattern of insightful+trash reviews we have.

    One idea I have is a filter. Perhaps the following can be filtered:
    -Same text as another review on the site. (hold review for admin check)
    - CONTINUOUSLY Repeating characters (reject review)
    -all 10s (reject review)
    -all 0s (reject review)
    -One paragraph (hold review for admin check)

    Now, I have no clue whatsoever on how HTML works on a large scale, so it may not be possible, but if doable would prevent almost all spam.
    • CommentAuthorzacattack
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014 edited
     
    But you make it sound as though any system is inherently spam-proof, which is typically not the case. Some may be spam-resistant, but most rating systems that would be reasonably implemented on a site like this can be screwed with/taken advantage of in one way or another. I've already pointed out there are far more helpful, legitimate, constructive comments-- even if short-- on here than many of the other sites. While there may also be a lot of spam, I still don't really see the cause for all the agita; the mods on here are usually very swift in taking care of crap ratings and spam of this nature is little more than an annoyance. Obviously, I'd be happy to see the spam reduced on NLE. I just disagree that merely removing the character limit or rate ratio will magically cause that to happen... which is absolutely the inference made by some of the posts on this topic, intentional or not.

    Based on how often tracks go completely unrated on the other websites I would support Laptop's idea of some kind of filter more than anything else. It's not as if there aren't tracks that don't get rated on here. There are. I still feel as though the ratio is better based on what I've seen, and I'm a member of all of the major exchanges.

    If you really want to cut down on spam, then say you want to cut down on spam. You (as in the myriad of people complaining about these things) most often keep bringing up changing the 300-character-limit and rating ratio and they're not one in the same. If you want to cut out the 300-character-limit and ratio and simply hope it will also reduce spam, I reserve the right to feel that it's a lot of agitation over a few sentences every five coasters, and I do.

    I should also point out that a large part of my annoyance comes from the fact that most (most, not all) of the posts complaining about the current rating system offer precisely zero helpful suggestions on how to solve the problem, a notable exception being Laptop's post above.
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    I think we've come up with a rather unique solution that kills two birds with one stone from the "critical ratings" standpoint. Yet, while rating critically will be easier and more fairly represented, we still want to provide a way for those to casually rate with no repercussions and rejection. The rating system and how we use it, I feel, is what makes NLE different from other websites. On the other hand, NoLimits 2 and its Steam front bring new types of users to the community environment, so we need to cater to them as well in a multi-functional system.

    It's going to take a bit of conceptualizing to make it all blend seamlessly, so the materialization of that will come later. For now we're just trying to get the basics running in order for us to work from there.
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    I like the thumbs or down rating system of NL2 steam workshop. Have a 5 star rating where the amount of thumbs up or thumbs down depicts how the the star rating will be.
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      CommentAuthorZingo
    • CommentTimeDec 8th 2014
     
    Btw, whats happens with all the reported rates? Cuss the amount of bad rates really is to damn high :O
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    With reported rates, we usually try to investigate why that rating was reported before deleting them. For "underrates", I typically try and download the track and compare the reported rater's claims with the track itself, then compare the reported rate with other rates in order to finally make a (subjective) decision. For spam, we have to go on a big witch hunt and track down each rate from the user and delete them all manually from each ride's download page. I wish there were checkboxes from the list for that, would be so much easier. For copied rates, we usually look for the earliest date and delete the copies from afterward. However, if a user copies from another ride it makes the task quite a bit longer by introducing another witch hunt to cross-compare rides and such. There are no search features for this other than Google.

    Unfortunately it's not as simple as just blindly deleting reported ratings or ratings posted here - that's bad practice. I used to dedicate a few hours on my Saturdays for deleting bad rates, but at the moment I don't have time. I will admit there are a lot... just so many to go through again.

    A new website would alleviate all of this in our planned admin/mod features, in addition to providing a better rating system anyway that would curb spam. But we're not there yet. : \
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      CommentAuthorZingo
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2014
     
    I don't know if you guys can add mods to the rating system? I'm sure there are some who would love to help removing spam rates ? :)
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2014 edited
     
    Why and how do so many people get the formatting wacky like this?

    <a href="http://imgur.com/g6KGkLw"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/g6KGkLw.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" width=/></a>

    Many of the words are way way over to the right off the page? Is that a site problem? I have been seeing this formatting issue for a long time.
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      CommentAuthoraw555000
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2014
     
    I've also been wondering about that, seems like a CSS formatting issue.
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2014
     
    Unless he is bypassing the rating ratio by doing that.
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    TOGO that is usually because people are copying rates. We know how to fix that bug but we don't have control, so that's why it's there.
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    Not to sound like a jerk, but what exactly do you have control over?
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    Deleting rates, banning users. We're moderators of the exchange and forum, so the powers we have are just that. We can't even make News entries, otherwise I'd be doing that as well lol.
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    • CommentAuthorWomp83
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2014
     
    About the wacky formatting that Togo mentioned..

    I've found that if you go in and edit the description of a coaster you've uploaded, then save it and return to the page as you normally would, it will do that. You just have to change a few things manually in the text/formatting box when editing the description. When editing your ride description, (or possibly editing a comment, not sure, never done that) you'll probably notice in the text box that there's big spaces on the left side before the start of a block of text. Just delete those spaces, and that will fix it up. You'll see it change in the preview on the right side of screen.
    I have a feeling something's happened to the website when it was updated for NL2 content back when it released, and the new formatting options were introduced. Cause it was after that point that i started noticing the weird formatting appearing.
    • CommentAuthormacchiato
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2014 edited
     
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    https://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/zenith/8369?page=2#60412

    It's here too
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    And here
    http://nolimits-exchange.com/coaster/wildwood-groves/8008#60407
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      CommentAuthoraw555000
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2014 edited
     
    He got me as well, my poor maleficent, not that same copied rate but I have no idea what hes chatting about for half of the rating, please ban him mods. Thanks :)
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    Misleading rate, claims download doesn't work when the instructions are right there in the description for the ride.
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    Can you upload the full package file on dropbox or something?
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    That person said that the download did not work. I have never heard on downloading a coaster and then looking in the park description to download the full coaster. That seems like a odd way to be able to upload a 50mb park file.
    • CommentAuthorTOGO Fan
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    You should upload it to the steam workshop today! I will give you a thumbs up. You could get a top workshop winning place.
    • CommentAuthorTwicks
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2014
     
    TOGO why are you talking to yourself?